[OpenDeadlock Crowdsourcing Request] - Alpha 1 Buildings Doc

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[OpenDeadlock Crowdsourcing Request] - Alpha 1 Buildings Doc

Post by Tggtt » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:38 pm

Dear members,

We already have a few buildings implemented for internal testing, for instance, all housing types, city center and farm. We already have building placement support, but some structural changes were made, which caused some delays.

We have decided to make more buildings available for OpenDeadlock Alpha 1, but it would be the best to have their documentation compiled.


Therefore, we are encouraging posts and wikis to put this information altogether.
If you know something about them or simply want to share here before it's compiled into the wikis, feel free to post.

And... If you needed a reason to contribute to the wikis, this is it.

We have the complete list of DL1 buildings here: viewtopic.php?p=889#p889

This is the list of buildings and their status:
Status meanings:
Confirmed: Accepted to be implemented for Alpha 1 version.
Not Confirmed: Documentation is accepted. They are not considered important for this version but they could be available.
Rejected: We have decided that they won't be available for the next version. Everyone is free to write about them but we will not use this anytime soon.

Buildings:
Housing: Confirmed.
Apartment Complex: Confirmed.
Luxury Housing: Confirmed.

Cloning Center: not confirmed as it probably won't work for the first version.

Farm: Confirmed.
Hydroponic Farm: Confirmed.
Food Replicator: Confirmed.

Surface Mine: Confirmed.
Mantle Drill: Confirmed.
Sub Space Magnet: Confirmed.

Nuclear Plant: Confirmed.
Fusion Plant: Confirmed.
Antimatter Plant: Confirmed.

Factory: Confirmed.
Automated Factory: Confirmed.
Robotic Factory: not confirmed as they are DL1 specific, but as they are simply an upgrade, they could be added easily.
Replication Station: Confirmed.

Hospital: Rejected as there are no plagues, battles or morale effect.

University: Confirmed.
Tech Lab: Confirmed.
Collective Tech Lab: Confirmed.

Art Complex: Rejected as there is no morale effect and no black market to sell art.

Shipyard : Confirmed. (trade only)
Hydroport: Confirmed. (trade only)

Airport: Confirmed. (trade only)
Military Airbase: Confirmed. (trade only)

Fuel Depot: Rejected as there is no aircraft.

Missile Base: Rejected as there is no combat.
AntiColony Assault Silo: Rejected as there is no combat.

Military Training Center: Rejected as there is no combat.

Bunker: Rejected as there is no combat.

City Center: Confirmed. (no culture as there is no morale)

Cultural Center: Rejected as there is no morale.
Museum: Rejected as there is no morale.

Shrines: Not confirmed.

Any sea platform building: rejected as there are no seas.

I have written about it before, there won't be battles for the next version. Therefore any military units except for colonizers and scouts would be useless.
Since there is no morale, taxation levels will be fixed as "low taxes" for Alpha 1.

Research notes: some research types might not be available. This affects several points:
Note for metals: only iron and steel is confirmed. Other metals are already supported but the research to activate their production might be disabled and might not be available.
Note for electronics: it is already supported but if its research is disabled, it won't require research for production.
Note for antimatter: it is already supported but its research might be disabled and might not be available.
Confirmed buildings that require a specific disabled research would be allowed to be built without the research for this version.

What is needed:
We already have their costs here: viewtopic.php?p=889#p889
But it would be better to have pages for each building.
Important attributes: costs (including labor cost), required research, upkeep (energy or credits), maximum workers (colonists) per building, their upgrade type, size (in tiles), what they produce.
We do not know if they have some hit point information.

Please post comments and building information.


Related Wikis:
Deadlock Wikia
OpenDeadlock Decode Wiki
OpenDeadlock also has an empty MediaWiki that could be used later.

Thank you very much.
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Re: [OpenDeadlock Crowdsourcing Request] - Alpha 1 Buildings

Post by Ubergeneral Grunt » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:02 pm

Tggtt wrote:We do not know if they have some hit point information.
Hit point information is in the appendices of the strategy guide if you need them (under toughness I think, I don't have the guide on hard).
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Re: [OpenDeadlock Crowdsourcing Request] - Alpha 1 Buildings

Post by Tggtt » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:36 am

Thanks Grunt,

Actually we do not need hit points/toughness right now but they should be ready for completeness.

Possibly asked questions for members that are not part of the development team:

You still do not have this information?
We already do have most of it, thanks to decoding efforts and the guide book. Most of it is also visible when you use the building dialog to place a new building.
This means we are also going to work on documenting them.
We are encouraging compiling them into wiki because it's important to make it easier for everyone.
Also, It is not my current priority to have the buildings' attributes correctly defined, as I am currently working on features that are common to most buildings.
Therefore, documenting them is something that would help to make their attributes correct.

Why don't you make the buildings correct from start?
The buildings are moddable and the mod file format is not final yet. Every time I upgrade the format, it requires to verify all buildings again and again. So, I just use about 4 types of buildings for testing.
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Re: [OpenDeadlock Crowdsourcing Request] - Alpha 1 Buildings

Post by General9913 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:18 pm

I'll create a specific template for buildings in Deadlock Wiki. I've seen that you compiled a list about building costs, that will make it easier for me, thank you!

Question, Deadlock II buldings have different attributes? I remember that units do, but I can't remember if buldings do.

Thank you!

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Re: [OpenDeadlock Crowdsourcing Request] - Alpha 1 Buildings

Post by Tggtt » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:58 am

Grand Cherokee wrote:Question, Deadlock II buldings have different attributes? I remember that units do, but I can't remember if buldings do.
Hello Grand Cherokee,

Yes, there are a few changes that I am not really worried about because they could be easily changed due to the modding capability of OpenDeadlock.

However, it is important to point the game version for each building when writing the wiki pages.
Since most attributes seem to be common, it is both possible to create pages for each game or to create a single page for each that presents both attributes. Feel free to choose the best option.

Deadlocks have a few buildings with different maximum workers (colonists) per building. I think the fusion power plant has this issue.
Also, only Deadlock 1 has Robotic factory, therefore, the "upgrades to" attribute of automated factory is different.
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Re: [OpenDeadlock Crowdsourcing Request] - Alpha 1 Buildings

Post by General9913 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:32 am

I'm thinking about creating a page for each game and then using a code to visualize both in a single page. It's quite simple, it works like this "I create Scout page, then I creat a second page named Scout/DII then I imput the code on the first page and then you just need to press a button to change between versions. It's in use in Warlords Battlecry Wiki, a great game by the way. :mrgreen:

Man, I forgot about Fusion power plant, you're right, in Deadlock I we can place three colonists per building, but in Deadlock II the limit is four. Yeah, that Robotic factory, I liked that design, too bad it's not in DII.

Oh and the specific template for buildings is already working folks, check it out, in the next days I'll upload info. :D

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Re: [OpenDeadlock Crowdsourcing Request] - Alpha 1 Buildings

Post by MaugTheInfirm » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:03 am

Could you walk through an example of helping on the wiki?

Meaning, here's specific text for "farm", and here's the specific URL you follow to contribute that text for the "farm". As of right now I'm not sure where to contribute, nor what the general format of the text should be. I visited a few links from the original post, but didn't dive deeper.

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Re: [OpenDeadlock Crowdsourcing Request] - Alpha 1 Buildings

Post by General9913 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:23 am

Sure! I just added some links to the "Help" navigation bar at our Wiki, check it out. :mrgreen:

http://galliusiv.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Getting_Started

http://galliusiv.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Editing

I advice you to create an account, you can have a name (Unregistered people don't have names, when they edit something only their IP appears), you can customize your profile by adding a pic, and you can choose your preferred mode of edition. In my case I prefer source editor, I can view and imput codes easily. But don't worry about it, it's not that technical. In doubt, check out how other pages are structured and copy their design. Right now buildings pages have the same design, so does the races pages.

For example:

http://galliusiv.wikia.com/wiki/Tech_Lab

For now, Tggtt and me, we are creating pages with that specific template and basic information. The focus is on Deadlock I info right now, for OpenDeadlock project. But you can of course edit whatever you want, if you want to you can add a detailed description for each page, it's pretty vague right now. You can view what we are doing on the navigation bar, on the tab "On the Wiki" and then on "Wiki Activity", from there you can access pretty much everything, or better yet, you can type the desired page on the search bar located at the upper tab, next to login options (Or your profile pic and settings, if you decide to create an account), if no results appear, it means there's no page about it yet.

But really, don't worry about commiting a mistake, when I joined Wikia (Now Fandom) I didn't know much about anything. :mrgreen:

You can always see how your edit is going to look, if it looks good publish it, if not and you already published it, don't worry, there's an option to revert it, undo your edit to the last version. And by the way, there's no general format for the text right now, just don't write anything above the template info, write at the left side.

Thank you!

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Re: [OpenDeadlock Crowdsourcing Request] - Alpha 1 Buildings

Post by Tggtt » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:00 am

Grand Cherokee wrote:Sure! I just added some links to the "Help" navigation bar at our Wiki, check it out.
Congratulations on becoming a colonist! :mrgreen: Be sure to sing the DEADSONG: "Son, be a colonist!"

MaugTheInfirm wrote:Meaning, here's specific text for "farm", and here's the specific URL you follow to contribute that text for the "farm".
Hello MaugTheInfirm, my top priority right now is to complete the "information box" of each building.
Cherokee (and I) has/have created most of pages, but they are not complete (yet).
They are all which are inside the category:
http://galliusiv.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Buildings
Just browse the category there and you will be fine!


After you click the edit button on each building page, you can still use the editor (not the source editor) to add values to the attributes shown there:
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As I have told Grand Cherokee earlier, if you don't have the retail version of DL1 at hand, you can still download a DL1 demo version (any language) and then apply the 1.31 patch and it is going to be in English. It still runs as demo without CD, which is well enough to see every building.
Find demos and patches at the downloads page of Gallius IV. http://www.galliusiv.com/Gallius_IV/Downloads.html
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Re: [OpenDeadlock Crowdsourcing Request] - Alpha 1 Buildings

Post by General9913 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:10 am

Thank you Tggtt! :mrgreen:

Also, if you guys and gals need some help or want to chat, please join our chat:

http://galliusiv.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Chat

If I'm around, I'll join the chat to help you with anything.

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